9.17.09 - Two-Girls-and-A-Guy-591

Hey you,

It’s #2 with a naughty yet world class post.

The other day, I guy I know told me about his fool-proof way of giving women the magical experience of a ménage a trois and I thought of you.  Crazy right?  After you read this you’ll see why I deemed this valuable enough to talk to you about it today.

If the topic of sex weirds you out, no problem.  Just skip this and we’ll talk later on this week.

But if however, you get that the process of relieving the fear and earning the trust of a woman who’s never been sexually intimate with another woman into a threesome is one of the hardest sells a guy will ever encounter, you’re going to be anxious to see how this gentleman’s sales process works so effortlessly…

…and excited about how you can plug this over-arching strategy of dissolving peoples barriers to new ideas directly into your business.

Here’s the story…

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“Don’t Bring Up Threesomes To a Woman Unless You’re Ready For ‘em,”  He said.

“Your game has to tighter than booty cheeks to pull this off.  It’s a lot easier to get women on board than you probably think.  And it’s harder to reliably get threesomes than maybe you’d like.  But the process I’m about to lay out makes it really easy to close.”

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As you’re reading every word of this be thinking now, “What’s one of the toughest sells I’ve got to make in my life/career and how can I adapt this process to there.”

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The guy who was telling me about this had so many missteps, so many missteps and then he created a reliable system to where he could really consistently get results.  He got consistent results with getting women open to this idea way before he was able to get the results of an actual threesome.

For over a year, he could get women to embrace the idea, maybe closer to two years, he had women who wanted it and he just couldn’t make it happen.

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Is there a super high end part of your sales process that you haven’t figured out how to crack the code on yet?  A premium, high dollar service/product you could offer that once you figured out how to sell it would make you feel like a champ because your income sky-rocketed and your clients were getting a greater outcome?  Keep on reading…

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And he’s not alone because he’s talked to women and there’s a lot of them out there who’ve been in that same situation.  And there’s a lot of guys out there who have this idea about threesomes who’re in the same boat.

He said “Now, with threesomes, the higher the risk there is for an embarrassing situation that’s going to make her feel uncomfortable, the more she needs to know she’s in the hands of a complete expert.”

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If you don’t think some of your clients/customers aren’t buying what you have to offer because of some fear of embarrassment, you’re nuts.  Let’s see how he resolves this…

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He said, “If you want to do something and it’d be the first time you’ve ever done it, don’t tell her that.  Don’t tell her you’ve never done it before.  She won’t ask you.  Don’t lie to her.  If you’re in a relationship with a woman, you should never lie.  Ever.

And if you do what I tell you, she’s not gonna stop and say “Wait, you haven’t done this before have you?” It never occurs to her.  She’s like “Well, holy shit, I have no idea what’s going on but this guy seems to know what he’s doing.”  That’s what you want women to think…  ‘This guy knows what he’s doing.’  That’s what’s gonna make her feel comfortable.”

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Isn’t this what you want customers/clients to think?   Especially if you’re rolling out a brand new coaching program or taking on your very first consulting client.  This guy had trouble with threesomes for a long time because he admitted he didn’t know shit about threesomes.

Have you ever done this before with a potential client, just spilled your guts, un-provoked, telling you were basically unworthy of their business due to your inexperience?  I have.  Read along to discover how to fix this…

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And this was his easy out.  He’d say, “I don’t really know what I’m doing but let’s figure this out together and it’ll be fun.”  And now you’ve put all this pressure on her, and she’s thinking like “Let’s figure this out, isn’t that his job?”

Big mistake.

He says, “So, the first step is to own completely and fully that you’re an expert on threesomes and you are because you’re listening to me now, there’s nothing out there like this.  I’ve seen some threesome products and they suck.”

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This falls right in line with the belief “In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”  Just by you being here and reading my posts, buying notes from some of the most expensive info products known to man about how to optimize your business and using them… this puts you light years ahead of your competitors.

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He said “Threesomes are kinda scary to women especially if they don’t know you’re an expert.

It’s really scary because there’s a bunch of attempted threesome horror stories floating around.  There really are.  So if you want to have a threesome with a girl when do you want to tell her?

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No one wants to be the first patient a brain surgeon operates on all by himself but there’s always a first.  Just the same, no one wants to be your very first consulting/coaching client.  This is why you keep your mouth shut about it.
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He said, “When do you want to tell her this is a part of being in your world?  The earlier, the better, right?  I think it’s absolutely your responsibility, if you haven’t told her by the time you have sex, it should be the next thing you talk about.  Absolutely.

Because right after physical intimacy what’s going on in her mind?  “What’s next?”  She’s like “What’s next?   He got me, what does he want to do with this?  Because I’m in his hands now more than I’ve ever been, more than I ever will be.  This relationship is up to him.”

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Do you believe your customers/clients are vulnerable after they’ve given you money?  How can you escalate the relationship so they feel comfortable giving you even more money?  Pay attention.

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He said, “And if you haven’t had this talk, you wake up in the morning, and I’ve done this a million times, there’s no excuse not to do this and I’ve coached a lot of guys through this and I tell them “You have one job.  When you wake up in the morning, say this.”  And they fuck it up, somehow.  Over and over.

If you fuck this up, it’s your own damn fault.  This shit works.  Follow this, it works.

Wake up in the morning and you’re like…

‘So what’s the freakiest thing you’ve ever done?’  She’s more ok to tell you now, than she’s ever been.  You just had sex and you’ve said this in a relaxed way.  She’s not gonna wanna tell you because either it’s too dorky or even worse… she’s horrified that’s it’s more freaky than anything you’ve done.

Really, because then she’s being insulting and rude to you.  She’s not gonna do that to you so she’s not gonna tell you.

She’ll say ‘I don’t know.’

And you can playfully say ‘Cmon, Cmon, tell me.  You’re such a brat.  O.K. I don’t even want to know.  Nope.  Don’t tell me.  Ssshh.’

And she’s gonna come back with ‘What’ve you ever done?’

You can say ‘I don’t know, I’m not really into like, freaky stuff, I don’t know it used to be like I wanted to do it everywhere in the house.’

She’ll be like ‘Tell me.’

So, you say ‘I don’t know.  Well, you know what I love?  Sex is really about power.  I love like when sex really changes people.’

She’ll be like ‘Really?’

“Yeah.”

She’ll say, ‘What do you mean?’

‘O.K., like I had this girlfriend like 4 years ago and you know what Burning Man is right (Big crazy hippee/artist party/festival here in America)?’

She says, ‘Yeah I’ve heard of Burning Man.’

‘So you know what it’s like then.  Crazy, crazy, crazy.  You know that time in Burning man when it’s day 3 and you’ve just been partying so hard for the first two days that you can barely stand?’

And she says, ‘Yeah, I know, I know.’

‘It’s day 3 and I’ve been picking up girls like crazy for 2 days straight, doing everything, and we were up all night the last night, and it was like ‘I just want to sleep’ but this cute little tiny girl with this huge guy walk into camp and it’s like I saw this coming and so I thought ‘That’s her type,’  And I looked at her and I said ‘No.’

She grabs my arm and says ‘Baby, you have to talk to her.’

And I’m just at my wits end.  She wouldn’t stop.  And she’s all like ‘Oh, you’re the man who can get any girl and now you can’t get this one.’  And she thinks it’s funny but I’m so tired that’s it’s not.

What’s crazy is that this woman in her business, is assertive.  She’s in sales, she knows what’s going on.  You put her at work and she bosses people around.  She owns the place.

It’s funny because whenever we’re picking up girls and whatever, she just stands there and giggles and rubs up against the girls.  That’s all she can do, is giggle.  It’s kinda weird.

She never does any of the work, never does any of the approaching the woman and I just flipped and I said, “You know what, I’m telling you what’s gonna happen.  You’re gonna go and fucking grab that girl and pull her sweet ass away from that fucking meat head.  I’m gonna be in the tent.”

And she looks at me and says “ok” in a quiet, obedient, excited tone.  What’s amazing is that she did it.  I’m there in the tent and I’m wondering what happened to my girlfriend. Where’s Giggles?  Where is she, you know?

So she comes in the tent with this girl and they’re both sitting there and they’re both looking at me and we hear this voice from outside “Cheryl.  Cheryl.” and they’re both looking at me.

And I know that if I move at all, that whole moments lost.  So, I’m quiet as the “Cheryl” noise moves away in the distance and I look at the girl and I say “You have 2 choices.  You can leave or… you can strip.”

What’s funny and crazy is that after that when we’d pick up chicks my girlfriend still giggled but it was kinda weird because everything shifted because I knew what she had made a transformation and became more certain of herself.  I never looked at her the same way again.

So, there’s a couple of elements of this story that are important you can take these elements and put ‘em in your own story.  You can even tell your story during your first interaction with a girl.

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Is there a strategy you and I have talked about that’s resurfaced here in this story of  overcoming a high level of resistance?  That’s right.  What’s going on here is a Pre-Frame.

It’s what you say before you ask someone to do something that sets up the possibility of your getting a mutually beneficial outcome in business or life.  What’s a story you could tell early on in a business relationship that lets people know they’re in the hands of a master?

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He said.  “You can’t do this late.  You can’t already be in a casual relationship with her and then lay this in.  You want to set up a first impression of what the relationships gonna be like.  Something dramatic like this, you gotta set up right away.”

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With your business, the story you tell the clients/customers is gonna teach them how to treat their relationship with you.  For example, I’ve heard Dan Kennedy’s favorite Biz Op copywriter, T.J. Rohleder talk about taking people from a $30.00 sale to a $3,000.00 sale almost instantly.

It’s the Gary Halbert story Dan tells.  You know from the seminar in Key West back in the day when Dan’d would speak at his events.

Just in case you haven’t heard it, Gary, undoubtedly one of the worlds finest direct response copywriters is hosting his $7,000 per person seminar and he strolls up on stage (Late) wearing a fish net see-through shirt, shorts, flip flops and a cap that says “CLIENTS SUCK”.

Then, Gary goes on telling story after story about how clients are a pain in the ass and no one there should even think about asking him to work with him because he’s fed up.

Kennedy can’t believe this because Dan’s the king of selling from stage and Gary’s here doing the opposite of what he’d do if he were trying to get business.

Well, at a break Dan’s talking to Gary and asking him if it’s true that he doesn’t want any clients and Gary says “Oh, no.  I really need ‘em right now.”

And it’s here’s where Dan plays witness to the magic unfolding.  Potential clients are flooding to him during the breaks, surrounding him at the urinals.  Mission in-directly accomplished

Halbert was the guy who introduced Kennedy to the idea of getting a fee and a piece of the action for any copywriting project so during this seminar Gary’s taking people from spending $7,000.00 with him to possibly working an arrangement with him that’d pay him $70,000.00, all from Pre-Framing.

This doesn’t happen in an ordinary business.  If your funnel is set up to where you want people to ascend to the most expensive product/service you offer you need a story of why this idea isn’t crazy, why it makes sense and gives them the feeling that it “normal and customary” behavior.

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Then he told me, “I used to open with a story like this ‘Burning Man’ one and it was better.  It wasn’t scary.  You meet a guy in a bar, he makes you laugh and he tells this crazy story about threesomes or whatever.  And her friend says are you serious?  She says ‘He’s a cool guy.’

She doesn’t really think, ‘If I get with this guy I’m gonna have a threesome.’  She doesn’t really think that.  The earlier you do it the better.

If you wait until after you sleep with her and after you’ve dated her three months and then you drop this story on her, first of all it’s totally incongruent.  It’s like ‘How could this be a part of his world, when I’m just hearing about now?  That doesn’t make any sense.”

And now the other thing is that she might get scared because she thinks “I didn’t sign up for that.”  So, again, the earlier the better.

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Do you do business on your terms or are you lead around by nose by customers?

By you telling the story of clients moving light speed to your most expensive/highest valued products or services, they won’t think this either if it’s a “Normal & Customary” way of working with you.


This reminds of the way Dan Kennedy gets his 100% of his copywriting fee upfront and a royalty agreement because he frames everything as “This is the way people who do business with me behave”, while the guys on the lower rungs get significantly lower fees and hope they can get 50% up front and 50% upon completion of a letter.

If you read his books or listen to his seminars, they’re loaded with stories that teach people how he’s to be treated and what to expect when you get the privilege of doing business with him.

None of this is by accident.  Everything is done consciously.

In his course “Influential Writing” he talked for 2 days just about this stuff.  Once you sign up for the Product Launch Formula by CLICKING HERE, now, you’ll have access to the principles he makes sure to insert into everyone of his communications that cultivates an urge in people to get on a waiting list to give him $15,000.00 dollars a year to be in his Platinum Coaching Group.  Click here to get everything he knows about making this happen… even in a recession.

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He said, “Here’s the elements that make this story work…

It happened a long time ago.  It happened 4 years ago so it’s not like this new thing I’m just playing around.  It’s part of my life.  And I’m an expert.  I’ve got at least 4 years experience under my belt.  

I did this with a girlfriend. I didn’t pay to make this happen with prostitutes.  I’m not one of those guys that just swings with random women.

This story isn’t really about threesomes at all. What’s the story about?  Change, transformation, evolution of her character.

And I even say sex is about power.  So it indirectly demonstrates sex isn’t a big deal to me but the transformation of my girlfriend is really cool and that’s why I’m telling the story.  You don’t wanna be the guy who just comes off as bragging saying ‘hey, let me tell you about my threesome’, you know?

And frankly if you’re having a lot of threesomes in your life, you actually have a bunch of stories to share.  You should create your own story.  You’ll hear great stories from women and even if you didn’t have one you’d have endless material to pull from there.

I’ll tell you why this story’s so powerful. 

It gives her a pure look into my world.  You can’t reveal the story without revealing pieces of how your world operates.  She knows what it’s like but it’s far away.  And the concept of ‘If I date this guy I’m gonna have threesomes, is just so far off that it’s not scary.  Yet women know exactly what they’re walking into.

Now when she wakes up in bed with you and your behavior has been the polar opposite of the “normal” guys she’s dated and she feels really good about the experience she’s gonna be thinking, “If I see this guy again, “Wow.”  She won’t even complete the sentence.

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Do people say “Wow” about your sales process or your product launches?

Compare this approach with times in your life when you’ve been creeped out by someone trying to rush you into buying or doing something vs. nurturing you along and planting the idea in your mind so that when the time came to make a decision it feels like you decided to buy instead of being sold.

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And then he said, “I don’t say anything else.  I never talk about it.  Just like I never talk about any of the sex things I like to do.  Normal guys ask for it, or they scared to death to even have her think they want it.

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Have you ever been scared to ask a client to buy your premium priced service or product?

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But there’s some interesting things going on in the back of her head.  She’s absolutely, completely prepared now for a threesome.  And without us sitting down and seriously, logically talking it out.

If we’d just talked about it and look at it layed out she’s just gonna freak out.  “She’s gonna ponder “What would my friends think?  Does that mean this isn’t a serious relationship?  What other freaky stuff does he do?” you know all these things are gonna come up if she logically thinks about it, but that never happens because I never bring it up.

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Sound familiar?  People don’t buy for logical reasons they buy for emotional ones.

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He said, “She’s not gonna bring it up is she?  But when it finally comes up she can’t be surprised.  She’s prepared and that’s really important.

But it’s still not really clear.  I never say ‘Hey, I have threesomes with all my girlfriends.” I’ve never said that.  And it’s on purpose that I’ve never said that.

So where are we, we’ve had sex and she’s heard that story right now.  And next, we set up a time to meet again.

She comes over on a Saturday night and I’m like ‘Sweetheart, how you doing?’ give her a hug and a kiss and then she asks ‘What’re we gonna do?’

I say in a playful tone, ‘I don’t know.  Let’s go out & pick up chicks.  Come on let’s go, it’ll be fun.”   She’s gonna stop.  What’s going on with her? She’s saying  ‘Oh my God, it’s real.  He wasn’t kidding.’  That’s what’s going on.

And I sense it.

So, I say, ‘Oh, you don’t want to, that’s cool, that’s cool.  Well, uh, we can see a movie.  She’s like ‘He senses that I was uncomfortable and he’s okay with that and he just wants to see a movie.’

While looking at movie listings I say, ‘Yeah, I already saw this movie but this one supposed to be Okay but I’m not really in the mood for a drama but it’s supposed to be good.’

She’s like ‘Wow, he’s serious.  And if this girl has any ounce of fun in her at all she’s like screaming inside ‘I don’t wanna see a fucking movie’.

So I say, ‘You don’t look too excited.  And she’s like ‘Nah.’  So I say let’s go out’ and she says “O.K. let’s go out.”

Has she agreed to have a threesome with me? Has she agreed to go out and pick up chicks?  Yes & No.  Right?  She never said yes.  But now she can rationalize in her mind that “it just happened”.  When re-telling the story she can say ‘He wanted to go out and see a movie and I was like I don’t want to see a movie on a Saturday!’

Now it’s not her fault.  Who see’s a movie on a Saturday?  So you lead to a bar, spend time with her and then say “Hey, I’ll be right back.”

You don’t point out, I’ve done so many things wrong here before so listen, I used to bust out the proof that all women are bi-sexual here, and there is proof, but that route doesn’t work.

It didn’t work for me.  I forced it a few times but who wants friction from pushing instead of pulling.  This way is easy.  Anything you have is worse than this.  I’ve tried every idea, really…

I could go on to tell you how this “Success System That Never Fails” plays out, but you and I have already got the marketing lesson.  If you really want to know the end of the story, email me at notetakingnerd2@gmail.com.

Besides this post isn’t about sex but about the art of persuasion.  I wanted to show you a powerful demonstration I learned in way that you wouldn’t get from any other “normal/ordinary” marketing guru.

The most powerful lesson you can pull from this Un-orthodox magnificent story is that the way you pre-frame your clients will make the biggest difference when it comes to your ideal prospect ascending to the highest priced product and service you sell… effortlessly.

Remember, the women that my friend has threesomes with have gone through a sales funnel.  They’ve been qualified six ways from Sunday.   That’s why he knows the threesome “irresistible offer” is gonna be a slam dunk.

Not all of your clients you put who buy through your product launch or normally are going to qualify to pay you premium prices but you at least want to indirectly lay into their mind that this is where the ultimate pay off is.

Once you’ve enrolled in our Ultra Product Launch program, you’ll see exactly how to do this and not just from one guru’s perspective.  This is the best of the best from several (Mass Control, Product Launch Formula, Dan Kennedy’s “Influential Writing”, Tribal Marketing, Formula 5, and many others) peoples vantage points so CLICK HERE to make sure you’re getting all these gems from these programs for pennies on the dollar.

Talk to you soon,

Note Taking Nerd 2

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