Marketing Notes On The Lead Generation Strategy That Skyrocketed Eben Pagan To Massive Success

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Once upon a time no person buying or selling information marketing products knew of a man named Eben Pagan until he unleashed one of his small business marketing strategies on the market which led to all the internet marketing experts standing up to pay attention to what this man was doing

Hey You,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

Today I want to give you marketing notes on the process Eben Pagan used to come out of bum fuck nowhere and finesse his way into the hearts & minds of thousands of customers who all collectively shoved $20 million dollars a year into his pocket that he talked about at length in his Modern Marketing Mastery seminar.

What you’re about to see is the in-depth dissection of the move and mind set shift that Eben made that allowed him to divert millions of dollars that normally would’ve flowed into the bank accounts of the giants of the industry like Dan Kennedy and Jay Abraham, and channel them into his own.

If your lead generation sucks or you’d like to get it doing better than it is already doing, you definitely are in for a treat.

Now let the party begin with the line that Eben popularized which is . . .

Moving The Free Line:

The Free Line has to do with anything that you give to your prospects in an effort to allow them to get to know you.

Now what someone experiences in their first encounter with you can make or break your effort to win them over and get them into the cycle of climbing their way to the top of your product line which may look something like this . . .

0 – Free (free report or free info they can get on website…)

1 – Low price ($10)

2 – Upsell

3 – Sell something else ($50)

4 – Mid-price product ($100)

5 – Sell something else ($200)

6 – Sell something else ($300)

7 – Premium price product ($1000)

The idea of moving the free line is to take what they can get for free and move it down so that something someone would be used to paying $10 or $20 for, they can now get from you for free.


Your lead funnel opens up and you appeal to more people.

A lot more people will be interested in getting something for free that is very valuable vs. getting something for free that is nothing but a self-serving ad for you.

And to help this process easily pay for itself you can now include a $2500 product or a $5000 product.

So you start out of the gate giving away a massive amount of value. Enough of a value that people want to tell other people about it. Whatever something is worth, you can find a way to translate the value and give it away.

You can move the free line and give your prospective customer a bunch of the value UPFRONT and doing this holds you to a higher marketing standard.


You need to give enough away so people go ‘WOW, you are the best’ because the best rise to the top.

Striving for this reaction forces you to make sure the free stuff they get is awesome. It subtly says ‘we got the goods, wanna try em out? Here you go’

So one thing Eben did that you can do too is put together a quiz designed to be genuinely helpful – NOT JUST TO GET THE FUCKING NAME AND EMAIL.

You personally go in, make all the questions, the answers, and for each answer you write a separate piece of advice so that ‘now that I know everything about you’ you click the button and the machine dynamically writes you a 5-page report full of valuable business advice you can use CAUSE THEM TO READ AND GO ‘WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS STUFF NO ONE HAS EVER ASKED ME BEFORE, THERE’S SOME VALUABLE STUFF IN THERE’ AND THEY START USING IT.

And when a person sees how they could implement something, or they actually do go out and implement it and make money with it, this person is going to be open to being a potential customer, especially if it doesn’t take long to make a couple thousand dollars and it can instantly give you results from a little tweak or allow you to hire just the right person and free up half your time, etc.

Here’s the hint: when moving the free line, LEAD WITH YOUR VERY BEST STUFF

Because the customer out there doesn’t like us, trust us, and they hate to feel like we’re forcing stuff down their throats, or feeling they’ll be stuck with it and that they’ve made a bad decision and be embarrassed to tell their family and spouse that they blew their money on this thing that didn’t work out – yet again. THEY DON’T WANT THAT.

And giving them a throw away crumb and saying ‘take it and come back with money’ – that doesn’t fly.

If the first thing you see or watch is okay, will you assume the stuff behind the curtain is better or worse? You’ll think all the stuff is ‘just okay’.

If you come to the website and it’s really profound and impactful and you go ‘Oh, I know what to go do with this’ and you go do something different as a result of it and go to immediately put it into action it’s so good – are you going to assume the rest of the stuff behind the curtain is better or worse?

Holding back the good stuff prevents you from having a lot of success.

Is it worth it to give $100,000 worth of stuff away in order to launch a business that could be around a long time?

People don’t come to you because you give okay stuff away – they come because they went ‘oooh that’s cool, and if you’re giving that away, how cool must the stuff I pay for be?’

Think like customers a little more. It’s all about what’s going on in their mind:

Where they’re coming from . . .

What their needs are . . . 

What’s that fear/frustration?

What’s that driving motivator that they have?

What’s going on for them?

And how does that connect to the thing we’re giving them that’s the first step to delivering them to the promised land, to deliver the result, the outcome, the benefit that they want?

FROM THERE – what is one thing you know, you have in your head, or a product, a service, something you could give away, deliver at a very very low cost, en mass that has HIGH percieved value, $20 $50 $100 or more, that if you gave that thing away to your prospect would make them go ‘Whoooah this is incredibly valuable’.

It might be an idea. It might be a technique. If you’re a real estate salesman it might be a negotiating technique you’ve learned over the years. It might be a way of pricing homes.

This is something you don’t share, but with your best customers.

What is that thing you figured out that is your gem, that is your magic bullet, the thing you figured out, that you could make into a product, a download, a video, something you could deliver en mass?

How could you package it so it could be delivered en mass at a very low cost?

Write down 3-5 ideas that come to mind.

You want to be unconsciously communicating, "I have something to bring you" not, "I’m taking something away".

Your free line piece is your initial offer. That’s where to start.

You want to build your marketing documents around that as that foundation. You line up the beginning, middle, and end around THAT offer. This will allow you to build something that will be valuable to your customers.

Give a technique that works when worked, and that for the person who won’t take action, can see it making common sense how it would easily work if they’d get off their ass and use it.

Then, hint that there’s a deeper level and if they want to master it, to check out more of your stuff. This is a process that serves as the passport that gets you past the Berlin wall that is their skepticism.

Here’s What Screws The Free Line Process Up For The Majority of People

A big breakthrough comes when you realize you are kind of out of control of your mind.

You think you control your mind, but it’s all an illusion.

Your mind is just doing the same thing all the time over and over again and you get into different situations and it triggers something, you talk to your mom and it triggers this other thing, and other things and you’re kind of like this ping pong ball.

And instead of fighting it and feeling like YOU GOT TO GET CONTROL – just relax and watch it happen.

When you do this you start to see all these things you never saw before…

Someone will cut you off in traffic and you spend the next five minutes formulating this master scheme of exactly how you’re going to cut them off up ahead and exactly how it’s going to happen and where and you know who’s probably driving the car and the look that’s going to be on their face when you masterfully cut them off and you revel in how they’re going to realize they did it to you and they got what they deserved and they’re going to go home and feel bad about it …

And then hopefully you snap of it and wake the fuck up and tell yourself, ‘*GASP* What the hell are you doing you psycho?‘ That’s a gift.

Whenever you go on autopilot on anything, try to notice what happens when you’re on autopilot.

Most people go into denial on autopilot and rationalize it and justify it and say they’re right. But you should be fascinated with it, anything that pushes one of your buttons, and once you’re fascinated about it you start talking about it and it makes people nervous because they don’t want to know what’s going on in there ‘no no please keep the box closed’ BUT this is your first step to beginning to be able to listen to other people. Really listen. Not just pretend listening.

The kind of listening where you can hear when someone is communicating what they’re REALLY saying.

You start realizing we’re not around a group of civilized rational creatures that have totally locked down all of their negative emotions and their "automatic robot chimp behavior", and there’s a lot going on in there.

We the people have irrational fears and irrational fantasies and irrational motivations.

This does NOT mean we’re wrong or bad or evil or screwed up.


Forget about the logic.

The logic is irrelevant, because the decision making process going on inside of the head of the human you’re going to be talking to has NOTHING to do with logic.

Logic might come up at the end to rationalize the purchase but that’s not what it’s about at all.

You want to know all the irrational stuff. And we all make irrational fantasies and movies and ideas, that’s what we’re doing all the time, and that’s what is driving and motivating.

So when you know that, then you can start asking people questions and know what’s REALLY going on.

You can start saying things like ‘oh cute bag’ and instead of hearing the other person say ‘oh yea I got it on sale at blah blah’, you can start asking questions that allow the other person to share a little bit about why they REALLY bought it. You open up the space.

And you say ‘Why did you really buy that? Is it because of X?’ And a little window will open up and they’ll go ‘*HOLY SHEEP SHIT* someone else is like me and crazy too and I can share it’

So when you’re open to it you can go through the world and get people to open up just a little more, give you a little more insight, and then you can talk to what’s REALLY going on.

"The reason you’re struggling with it is because you’re thinking of it from your perspective, not thinking from inside the head of your customer" – in terms of coming from inside your own head of how you’re different from your competitors.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT TO THEM? Stop thinking from inside your head, and go out there and ask "What’s important to them?"

Instead of differentiation, a better strategy is to START DIFFERENT. Start different so you don’t need to go through differentiation. You’re already different.

In any market, category, segment, there is a large group of individual humans that have a problem, frustration, pain, a desire, a need, a passion that is not being addressed by all of the companies, products and options that they are aware of.

Some element is not being addressed as the market would like it to be. THIS OCCURS IN ANY SIZABLE MARKET.

And that is a place where you can start different, because if you deliver that result, that outcome, and you’re the first one to do it IN THEIR MIND, you have now started different so you don’t need to differentiate yourself.


This is not an easy thing to do, to shut all your stuff down and say ‘What would be going on inside of me if I was a customer’ to simulate another person.


There’s always something people want or a way they want it that they don’t know is available. You can use this to differentiate in a lot of different ways.

Making Free Line Content Work For You

When considering how you’re going to use free line content, it’s important to remember that you got a business to run and got to have the math and strategy make sense, but the critical communication with free line is this idea that YOU’RE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL HUMANS – NOT MACHINES WITH DOLLAR BILLS MAKING ALL THEIR RATIONAL DECISIONS BASED ON ROI ETC THESE ARE PEOPLE.

And if you build a relationship with them and trust, they will tend to want to give you more of their money in exchange for what it is that you have.

So a major part of the free line is building relationship, building trust. 


Your goal is to have them feel, ‘This is the real deal, this is something that actually works’ These guys aren’t messing around, this stuff really happens, this is not just for ______, this is for me!"

THAT is the experience you want to have your prospects have when you move the free line. You could open your business up and say ‘everything’s free!’ but, that may mess your business up.


Give them a test that has them an experience a “hit” of what you have to offer.

Marvelously designed “pre-consultation” questionnaires can work wonders in helping you to appear to be brilliant and help them see what possibilities you open up for them. 

You want something that quickly gives them the experience of being in the hands of a fucking master.


So you’d say something like, "Here, try this, we’re going to __(alter your brain chemistry with this simple experiment)____, do ____(this breathing exercise, watch this video do it along with me)_______, how do you feel? Well, if you feel better now, wouldn’t it be a safe assumption that you could probably be feeling better ALL THE TIME? Unfortunately you can’t be doing ___(that breathing exercise all the time)____ BUT you can ___(take one of our tests)___ and if you ___(take the test)___, we’re going to tell you what you need so you can feel like that all the time"


You can find SOMETHING to give a version of ‘give someone something to change their brain chemistry at home’.


Unless you’re advanced and sophisticated and can design more complex lead generation funnels, START WITH ONE DECISION AT A TIME.

Make it so the prospect only has 1 decision to make.

Here’s a good decision: "Are you going to put your name and email in the box or are you going to leave?" That’s it. There isn’t anywhere else to go, you can’t do anything else.

That’s it. 1 decision.

Then the next decision might be "Are you going to buy the product or are you not going to buy the product?"

At any stage there’s 1 decision.

Then you can introduce others once you find something that works. It needs to be a laser beam that whacks you between the eyes and goes "ooh! I’ve been looking for this my whole life, I have to take action now."

Focus On Only One Version of Your Perfect Prospect In Your Free Line Content


You could drive yourself crazy trying to get it just right for everyone.

If you have a business that sells snowboards to extreme snowboarders, but also as it turns out you have another business that sells snowboards to other wholesale companies you can speak to both of these prospects without confusing the message by telling your story and convincing a snowboarder that you reign supreme because you carve the snowboards back in the shed the way granddad used to do it and maybe you apply 27 coats of imported something handmade by child laborers and all the other stuff you build into it. You can say on your website ‘Let me tell you the story of how I came to build the best extreme snowboards in the world’ and you tell your story and then when you get to the part about how you build them now you might put in parenthesis (By the way, if you own a snowboard shop and you’d like to know how to carry our line click here)"

And you’ve woven that signal and everyone who owns a snowboard shop will be reading that and be fascinated more than the average customer and will see it and click on it, all without derailing the extreme snowboarders who can easily continue reading.


Offer People What They Want, Not What You Deliver

PERSONAL TRAINING: Does the person want training – or exercise plans? Or do they want the result of feeling sexier in the eyes of other people and actually being able to move without feeling clunky and clumsy?

You know the answer.

Do People Want Low Borrowing Rates?

People are not really looking for a low rate. They’re trying to buy a home, they’re trying to set up their life, they’re trying to start a family, they’re trying to settle down, they’re trying to set themselves up for long term security.

So to get off the rate thing and onto what they’re really looking for you start by saying "before we talk about your mortgage, let’s talk about something more important, let’s talk about the big picture of your financial life, let me show you a couple of techniques that are going to make this process about a 1,000 times easier and profitable than it is for the majority of people…"

Then you walk them through a set of techniques and give them some literature on how they could pay off their mortgage in less than half the time by paying 16% more on their mortgage payment, and show them how instead of buying a new car now, how they can save on payments by buying used cars for cash and show them how they could get out of debt in 2-3 years, walking them through this whole process and then say…

"Now, when we work together what I want for you is to be completely out of debt, I want you to have your home paid off, I want you to be driving cars you own outright, I want you to be financially set and secure – so when we move you up to this next home, that’s part of a bigger plan, and if you follow just SOME of the things I’ve given you here, this right here will probably be worth about $300k-$400k to you based on the kind of home you want to buy…"


So when it gets time to actually talk about the mortgage rate "you know, you’re gonna find when you go to lenders, the rates we’re all a little bit different, you know we’re in there we’re competitive, some lenders eh, you know they might tell you a story but when you get to the closing table it doesn’t really work out, you can go use them if you want, but I recommend that you work with me cause when you work with me you’re going to come in here every 6 months, we’re going to do a review, we’re going to figure out how much your home is worth, we’re going to make a decision about whether you should refi, we’re going to update your financial plan"

ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME ON THIS – IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MORTGAGE RATE LIKE IT’S NOT THERE. You haven’t quoted them your range like most people do – as low as 4%. Instead, you’re introducing the prospect to something that is a complete game changer.


So if you want your Free Line content to make an impact you have to . . .



This will allow you to design marketing that amplifies the message and communicates explicitly clear to your prospect that they’ve arrived at the right place – the hunt is over.

And when your perfect prospect sell themselves on this, you’re selling gets about 1,000 times easier.

Now take these guidelines and put them against what you’re currently using to bring new prospects under your protection and if it isn’t potent enough to convince them you’re their savior, change it for the better using what you’ve discovered here.

Talk soon,

Lewis LaLanne a.k.a. Note Taking Nerd #2 a.k.a. L.L. Cool Nerd

PS. This is major part of the lead generation process but if you want to go deeper and discover the internet marketing expert Eben Pagan’s process for optimizing your lead generation conversions, you definitely want to put your hands all over these notes on his high end Live Conversion Summit by clicking here now <—–


The Key To Facebook Staying The King Who Rules Over The Social Media Kingdom

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Hey You,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

On Tuesday I was reading this post here written by the Social Media Maven, author, internet marketing expert Brian Solis.

If you want to keep your finger of the pulse of, and maximize what’s hot or not in the realm of social media strategies and tactics, you’ll read everything he writes.

And I have to warn you, his content is fully loaded – in-depth definitions, analysis, charts, illustrations, and examples.

This isn’t the place you go for casual, fun, and light reading. This is where you go when you appreciate someone who’s willing to put in days, perhaps weeks, to put together a post that goes mega-nerd on a topic of supreme importance to this niche.

With that said, I was there reading his insights into Facebook’s introducing action links to the open graph.

This has to do with what I deem to be those fucking ANNOYING apps on Facebook that blast your timeline with updates such as the Washington Posts’ Social Reader or Spotify sending updates into user Newsfeeds, such as “Brian Solis is reading…” or “…is listening to…” or the play apps that poop out updates like “…Brian just bought a pig farm on Farmville…” or “…Brian’s horoscope reading for the day is…”

Yep, all those eye-rape-y messages designed to get people to click and download the app and ram the updates at the face of more users.

I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER click on these. I’ve never downloaded a third party app to any of my machines via Facebook. If a business tries to muscle me into doing it, I eject so fast I get finger whiplash.

But I’m not the market.

This shit must work. It just doesn’t work for me as a consumer. The same thing befuddles me about Google Adwords. The only time I’ve EVER clicked on a Adwords listing is when I’m doing competitor keyword research. Any other time I have zero desire to even LOOK at them, let alone follow them.

But when we run these ads THEY ABSOLUTELY KILL IT FOR US. They more than pay for themselves and so when it comes to this stuff I do my best to keep my assumptions based on my preferences out of the equation and test the tactics and see what happens.  

So here’s what I said to Brian and anyone else reading in the comments section of his post . . . 

“Oh my hell, as a consumer I find these implicit auto-magic blast an annoyance and my eyes feel like I’ve cheated them if they ever do catch my attention. As a consumer I hate them. When I start using them in my business, I may very come to love what they do for my business. Always interesting to see how this beast that is Facebook is aging.”

As you can see, I rushed this comment leaving out words and going far shorter than I prefer. 

Here is Brian’s three word reply . . .


If Your Email Open Rates Suck, You’re Probably Making One Or All Four Of These Mistakes

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Hey You,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

Right now I’m going through the email marketing section of a course called the 3x Conversion Formula put together by internet marketing experts Jon Benson and David Bass.

It’s a course focused on opt-in page secrets, sales page conversion tactics, up sell, down sell, and post sale, and email conversion strategies and how to optimize all of this in pursuit of getting 3x better the results you’re getting as of now.

Last night I started the first module of the course and I was HIGHLY impressed with what I saw.

So much so in fact that I decided to share the notes I took with you on the part of the course where they ninja strategies for how to manage your email list.

Most people never contemplate the idea that segmenting and managing the technical side their email list is one of the ways you can actually boost your sales and conversions – zero slicker than Vaseline copywriting skills needed.

This is what leads to people being befuddled by the fact that they’re writing emails just like Frank Kern to a big list they’ve built up but hardly anyone is opening the emails up which means that even with the world’s greatest email copy, they aren’t converting anywhere near the sales they could . . . if they could only get people to actually see what they have to offer.  

Now let’s see how to get as many eyes as possible drooling over what you send them . . .


Internet Marketing Expert Rich Schefren On How To Choose An Information Marketing Business Model

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See if the expert that the internet marketing experts go to for help can keep you from making a wrong decision that embarrasses the shit out of you

Hey you,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

I was spending some time with Rich Schefren’s kick ass “G.P.S. (Guided Profit System) course and I was listening to one of his marathon, action-packed Q&A calls and one of the other participants asked him . . .

“If you don’t have your exact defined business model in mind, in your expertise, what’s a good way to focus and think right in terms of steps to narrowing down which business model to go ahead with?”

And what follows is a result of me dropping everything I was doing to take incredible notes on how Rich answered this all too important question that’s plagues every one of us at one point and time.

Now let the Schefren show begin . . .

It depends on the current models in play and what’s good and bad about them and what can you learn and adapt from them.

Most people are lazy when it comes to choosing their business model which is why 80+% of people who start a business can’t keep it alive for even 5 years.

So once you’ve picked the right business, the right niche, this step is incredibly important.

Rich talks about how he wouldn’t trade his model for what he does with anyone else in the internet marketing space. And this says a ton because he’s peaked behinds the scenes into the models of the mega gurus in this arena because he’s coached a lot of them.

His model allows him to teach something one time and automate the selling process where it can be sold every day. His business model revolves around the area that changes the least when it comes to online marketing – the business development side of it.

Whereas his competitors have to continually produce new products because what they taught is out dated; he doesn’t have to. He gets to improve his products rather than start from scratch.

Rich’s superior model makes less work for him, better products,


Part 2 of 2: Email Marketing Strategies That Work

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You’re about to see Part 2 of the notes from Session 6 of the Third Tribe notes I took on the internet marketing expert Sonia Simone’s presentation on email marketing strategies that get people to fall in love with, share your message far and wide, and joyfully buy when you ask them to (See Part 1 Here)

Hey You,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

If you’re new to email marketing, soak in everything and you’ll discover why this tool is so incredibly powerful and you’ll see how to do it right.

If you’re an email marketing veteran, suspend for 5 minutes the crippling idea of, “I know that,” and skim this post with the intent of finding at least one killer idea that you’d spaced out on and stopped using or, one killer idea you’ve never been exposed to before. Either qualify for a major win for you.

Let’s get this show on the road . . .

What about stand alone selling promotions/salesletter?

There’s a time for them and if you’ve never sent a stand alone message and always taken the soft approach to offering what you sell, be ready for some douche copter to call you a scum bag for showing them something that is valuable that provides them with a ton of value . . . that would ask them to invest money in.

One thing Sonia always makes a point of doing when she’s got a promotion coming up is make sure that she’s paved the path to this offer with some pure content that the audience genuinely enjoys.

With their Teaching Sells early bird non-buyers list they hadn’t emailed them anything in like 8-9 months.

So they wrote 5 pieces of high value content on the topic of info marketing which naturally planted the seed in their audience’s minds that this is how they should be doing this business and naturally and indirectly made the case for owning Teaching Sells when it came available again.

Another word you may want to start using more in your business vocabulary is offer. Sonia doesn’t like the term, “asking for the sale,” because she feels it implies you’re trying to take something. Whereas offering is making something available for whoever chooses to take advantage of.

Email and Product Launches


Part 1 of 2: Email Marketing Strategies That Work

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You’re about to see the notes from Session 6 of the Third Tribe notes I took on the internet marketing expert Sonia Simone’s presentation on email marketing strategies that get people to fall in love with, share your message far and wide, and joyfully buy when you ask them to

Hey You,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

Email is still about the most common activity done online right above search.

To not tap into one of the forms of online communication people trust most is insane.

A lot of gurus trying to sell you their “new 5.0 system” will say email is dead but you always want to make sure they’re not just speaking from their narrow 20 year old perspective.

My dad is 62 years old and the extent of what he can do online is type words into Google to search and forward shitty chain letter emails, Jesus saves messages (damn the person who taught him how to use the Forward button!) – all junk that’s just been forwarded to him.

Ask him to do anything else – social media, downloading, Skype, etc. and he freezes up and shuts down. I believe a lot of people are just like him even though they’re younger than 62 years old which is why email marketing just makes plain sense to use.

What are fundamentals of good email marketing?

1) List Building/Lead Generation

2) Content

3) Auto-responder

4) Offers

5) Launches

List Building Like A Boss-In-The-Making

List building really comes down to driving traffic and getting them to opt-in.

Well, what are some of best ways to get someone to your landing page so they can opt-in?


Part 2 of 2: Internet Marketing Experts Reveal 27 Ways To Monetize Social Media Marketing

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Jason Van Orden, who spoke at Dan Kennedy’s social media money magnet internet marketing seminar reveals how to stop jerking your self esteem off with social media and actually start making some money with it

Hey you,

It’s Lewis a.k.a. Nerd #2.

As I mentioned in the Part 1 here of this series, Jason has spent 5 years figuring all 27 of these social media monetization strategies out and deploying them in his business.

This saves you a ton of time and money in that you don’t have to figure it out on your own but don’t overwhelm yourself by trying to eat this beast in one bite.

I believe this series will clear the confusion on how you can make money with social media and not come across as an annoying spam bot who’s so focused on getting leads that everyone ignores you. 

These 27 strategies give you a reason to reach out to be cool and share awesomeness with your audience as well as offer them something they’ll be grateful to have been offered.

Now let’s proceed with . . .

Magnet #15: Streamline, Automate, Outsource

You want to spend time most of your day doing these three money making activities…


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